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Thanks for your explanation of this, Bill. Well-thought out. I have absolutely no feel for the likelihood of a mass march on Beijing, which would be the flashpoint of the powder keg you described, but my guess is that we'd have Tiananmen Square X 1,000,000, only to have the Communist Party crush it in the end. Their economic engine could sure be crippled, though,if the workers stood firm in a strike, illegal or not - no question. "The People's Revolution, Part II."

More questions and comments:

1. Long term the biggest problem for China is demographics (most rapidly aging population "getting old before getting rich", male/female imbalance, etc) and the sense of entitlement (at least in urban families) that only children have. Only children are almost always spoiled, and China is no different.

2. Doesn't higher productivity typically require a lot of capital investment? Is China's financial system ready to supply the needed capital, especially to those without government/party connections?

3. I suspect that Chinese in general have cultural problems (many resulting from their recent tumultuous history, e.g. parents tell their kids "lie to everybody except us") that prevent them from following in the footsteps of Japan, Singapore, and Korea.

4. What effect can the "sea turtles" (returning expatriates) have on Chinese companies?

5. Other sources I've seen claim there is a significant Chinese middle class (maybe 300 million). Who is right?

You make many good points, Tony. Concerning the 300 million middle class Chinese, I guess it all depends on what your definition of 'middle class' is, but the notion that 1 out of every 4 Chinese citizens has any disposable income to speak of defies common sense (at least common sense for those who have spent any time in China outside of Beijing, Shanghai or Hong Kong).

Tisk tisk... I have heard the "collapse is coming", "explosion is nigh" story for the past 20 years :) Just another one.

Really? Twenty years ago the GDP of China was only 4% of what it is today. Hong Kong was part of the UK. I didn't think anyone was predicting that China would be a global economic power twenty years ago, let alone predicting the collapse. I also doubt that those whose predictions you listened to anticipated the collapse of the US and Western Europe credit and consumer markets, and I certainly don't think the Chinese planned for it either, but maybe your logical, fact based criticism of my point of view is correct. Time will tell, I suppose.

I am far from an expert on China, and I have heard that there are regional divides in China, but wouldn't an internal structure of state like regions go a long way to helping their economy flourish whether the government was democratic or not? ANd wouldn't this help them establish a "consumer based" population?

Many good points but there seems to be an economic inconsistency. You talk about the high level of unemployment then talk about the solution being to pay people more. Now I realize you speak to these issues in the context of creating domestic demand (which will improve unemployment) and improving productivity (which will allow higher wages). Because unemployment is so high and yet the savings rate (of the employed) is so high there is ample opportunity to increase employment in the face of sharp reduction in exports. Also because unemployment is so high they can easily continue to offer cheap labor. This is not to ignore productivity. What I describe is not sustainable when employment reaches a more reasonable level but there is significant time until that occurs. Between now and then productivity must be addressed. They key to another decade of strong growth is the current high unemployment rate coupled with the capacity to grow domestic demand based on the current high savings rate.

Some links that touch upon my earlier comment:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6726244.ece

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2008/02/why_chinese_companies_fail_in.html

Especially note this comment from the first link:
Many young couples are willing to have one child to continue the family line, but they let the grandparents raise it so that they can go to bars and restaurants and go shopping and travelling without being restricted by the responsibilities of children.

The workers need to reduce their savings rate and start spending their money themselves, right now their the big lenders of the world to US and now their government.

Good points, Bill (and also Tony in the comments section). I live in China and I am amazed by the optimism of the locals... It seems they all believe in their bright future so much that they won't make efforts to correct the way they work (no interest in foreign best practices, low training, no transparency, etc.).
Only the central government is scratching its head about what to do. Their advantage is the number of "buttons" they can push (taxes, controls...). Their problem is the freedom taken by local officials (bad debts in the banks' books, corruption...).

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