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29 October 2009

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There is a thread of anti-intellectualism in some posts that is disappointing. Lean has much to teach. To simply complain "they don't get it" it waste. How do we get Manufacturing taught in schools to people that otherwise will go into studying fancy financial products no one understands? How do we get from where we are to whatever ideal you are proposing?

Kuwabatake,

The "anti-intellectualism" you note is no more than pointing out that the academics have chosen to ignore opinions outside of their inner circle, and to shut out all data that does not support their theories. You ask what I propose be done about it. My answer is that we do nothing. They are digging their own graves of irrelevance and the events of the last year have undermined elite B-School credibility far beyond anything I could have accomplished with "anti-intellectual" posts. The United States did not become the greatest manufacturing economy the world has ever seen on the basis of anything the Harvard Business Scool contributed, and it does not need the Harvard Business School to get back on track.

If my "anti-intellectualism" is a call for anything, it is a call to the lean community and to our elected officials to ignore the academic elites. 80% of manufacturng already does ignore them and there is an anti-Wall Street, anti-intellectual backlash growing in the United States that will keep shoving them out of the mainstream.

They are cited in this post simply as closed to learning, along with many groups including much of the media and the management of many companies. I did not write to get them to change, or even to complain about them. I cited them as a warning to manufacturing managers - If they are too internally focused and only listen to themselves, they will end up as irrelevant and goofy as the faculty of the B-Schools.

The intellectuals have chosen to stay on the sidelines in the manufacturing arena, and to focus on finance. Given the quality of their contribution to the global and US economy I would just as soon they stay there.

Another example that hits me, as an independent, smack in the face is the rise of political extremism on both ends of the political spectrum. How many left-wingers seriously listen to Fox or other conservative outlets; how many right-wingers turn away from O'Reilly and Beck to consider Maddow and Obermann? Nope, each side whips themselves into a frenzy because they simply listen to and effectively feed off each other, agreeing with each other, without seriously considering any other opinion. No wonder independents look to each side and wonder why they are further and further in the distance... and each extreme looks at independents as moving further and further away from their exalted position.

You need a few extremes to test the boundaries, but the majority need to listen and thoughtfully consider other opinions to find the middle ground of reason.

What a great post. The culture of the company I currently work for is a 'Yes Man' culture. My attempts to challenge the management thinking, 'think out of the box' and stretch their minds has done me no favours. The guys who agree with everything the MD says and laugh at all his jokes (even the bad ones!) are the one's on their way up the career ladder. I alone will not change the mindset so the easiest thing for me is to move on.

"The 'anti-intellectualism' you note is no more than pointing out that the academics have chosen to ignore opinions outside of their inner circle."

Just like you have chosen to ignore anything that comes from someone with a PhD because, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Nothing good can come out of a PhD with no real-world experience."

Actually Jason, I wrote,

"When the academic elite take on business problems with no real knowledge or experience, very little good is going to come of it."

and

"Management - good management, lean management - requires equal parts head heart and gut in every decision. Brains; as well as empathy and compassion; and common sense and experience. The PhD's and MBA's certainly have the head part down cold. But if you have to be able to model something for it to be true, and all you know came from books, then the heart and gut elements are not going to a part your recommendations."

If you can cite a case in which a PhD or a B-School professor with no experience in manufacturing made a noteworthy contribution to manufacturing, I will happily stand corrected.

Far from ignoring them I have been reading what the B-School elite have to offer for 35 years. As the post demonstrates, I was on the HBR web site just the other day. If you visit it you can see my comments. On the other hand, when was the last time you saw a comment from an Ivy League business professor here? Or ran into one at a lean conference?

Another great article, Bill (note 'great' rather than 'good'!!). You'd really got the bit between your teeth.

In France, we also have our gang rape and popcorn equivalents. How's this for one (http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2009/10/29/704058-Meurtre-de-Brens-Jacky-assassine-pour-800.html, sorry, copy and paste, couldn't work out how to insert a link)from this week? A 62 year-old murdered by a) an 18 year-old, b) 33, c) 43.... and d) 71. What kind of 71 year-old hangs round in gangs with kids 53 years younger? And vice-versa.

Where is Respect for People in this day and age(and, no, I'm not that old to remember the war)? I've seen the first few comments on your post. Most of us are in agreement (although it's healthy to see a little rebellion from Kuwabatake). Most of us are in agreement. And I have my own pet hate to add in the 'I Love Making People Suffer Because I Have An Acute Inferiority Complex' category.

About five years ago, I simply gave up applying for jobs. I can't say I applied for that many but I would say that a good 80% never even bothered to reply, whether I'd sent it by post or online. And I realised that there was no way I would want to work for a company who has so little respect for people that a minute to print a standard negative reply and stick it in an envelope was a minute too much to waste.

I can't complain. I'm a lot better off as my own boss, taking the time to reply to people who take the time to write to me. My concern is for my 14 year-old son who may not have the same confidence and ability when it's his turn to start looking for a job.

Although I suppose he could always try and hook up with the odd 71 year-old or two.

Keep up the good work

Peter

Actually, a significant % of PhDs...including PhDs in academia...really don't deserve the title "intellectual." An intellectual should have broad knowledge & interests, and should also be fluent in dealing intelligently with abstractions. Many of the current PhDs fail on both these counts--they are too narrow in their knowlege (too often limited not just to their own field, but to whatever is trendy at the moment) and often tend to reify abstractions, rather than understanding that "the map is not the terrain."

It may be time to revive the term "clerks" in its medieval sense.

"On the other hand, when was the last time you saw a comment from an Ivy League business professor here?"

Well the first step would be to tone down the rhetoric. You make excellent points and many of your arguments are valid, but your delivery is too cynical and judgemental of others. No one is going to come here and listen with an open mind when you constantly bash their university, their degrees, their intellect, etc. I'm not saying any of them would listen anyway, but you may find 1 or 2 in a 1000 that do.

"If you can cite a case in which a PhD or a B-School professor with no experience in manufacturing made a noteworthy contribution to manufacturing..."

Well, I work in logistics so I'll provide at least 1 example there. But I want to re-iterate what I said in earlier posts...PhDs see and observe things other do not. And they have the skills to model what they observe and develop theories. But it is usually others (engineers, managers) who are able to see the potential business application of these theories. Using you're reasoning, Bill, one would say very little good can come from Albert Einstein's theories and work because he never spent time in a factory that built rockets or satellites.

I believe America is in trouble Bill.

America's problems stem from our inability to effectively work together and our generally second class treatment of customers.

America was able to get by in the past because the foreign competition wasn't that stiff and other countries were not yet going after our markets.

I'm sure what I'm saying won't be popular, but America needs to take a serious look in the mirror.

Our political system seems to promote animosity and discord. There's no colder or more sterile a customer experience than dealing with the agencies of the Federal Government. I don't care which party's in power, it doesn't seem to matter when you are dealing with these folks. I've never had a good customer experience with any kind of Government bureaucracy. There's nothing like the rigidity created by bureaucracy and unions.

I have been disappointed with quality and customer service from American companies. In the past it was considered dishonorable to let your product disappoint a customer. But that has changed and today’s attitude is that if the product makes it past the warranty period, the customer has nothing to complain about. Somehow the primary focus of many of our companies became; 1) Shareholder value creation 2) Getting the Executive Compensation Package right and 3) Satisfying the Union to get the contract signed without a strike. Whatever resources were left over can go toward improving the product. The result is that most of the time, American products become inferior over time.

The East Coast Elites - aka Wall Street appears to be one of the main drivers. I'd like to know the total dollar amount that has been bilked out of the American People over the last century by Wall Street. Is Warren Buffett in the house? America would be better off draining that cess pool and investing in low cost index funds over long periods of time.

I don't have much faith in the Republicans or the Democrats ability to right the ship. Corporate greed has basically rotted the Republican Party from the inside out. There’s a big difference between a Rural Republican and a Corporate one. The Democrats seem to be all starry eyed about the opportunity afforded by the near implosion of Wall Street. They continue to believe that Government can solve nearly all of our problems. Apparently Cuba needs to be 90 miles from Washington D.C for them to be able to see things more clearly.

The way I see it, if a process is not efficient or effective, then it should be improved to remove the waste and increase value creation. I don't really care if the process is owned by the government or business. Without continuous improvement, waste remains in the system consuming valuable resources. Without improvement, progress will stagnate.

America has also grown accustomed to excuse making at many levels of our society.

In Japan there is much more emphasis placed upon actual results and excuse making is not acceptable. The customer is also held in much higher regard in Japan. There is a general tendency to sacrifice for the good of the group, company, and customer.

Maybe America is just too much of a "what’s in if for me" society now. Maybe we have been conditioned to be such short term thinkers that it’s not possible for us to humbly place the needs of the customer ahead of our own? I certainly think that's the case for many of our CEO's, Lawyers, Politicians, and Union Leaders. They stand in stark contrast to many of Japan’s leaders.

I am also not overly impressed with American Academia. I don't think they are stellar examples of cooperation with Industry nor society.

They seem to have a "Silo" mentality similar to that of Government and Business. It seems that many of them are more interested in prestige creation rather than the “Wealth Creation” of the American people. The practice of tenure also seems to mimic the kind of entitlement mentality that the unions have developed.

America doesn't appear to even acknowledge there is a problem. The trade and budget deficits should act as warnings for all of society that things aren't right. I wonder how much industry will be lost before we reach a tipping point and the standard of living declines permanently. I suspect that if the current trajectory continues, the Dollar will be nearly worthless at some point in the future.

I'd like to modestly suggest a contrary view here, that the current Harvard Business Review debate on manufacturing, competitiveness and innovation is actually valuable, at least to some of us. I've read all the articles and all the comments, and am in the process of doing so again to compile a brief A-Z of all the main arguments deployed against outsourcing as a default strategy. What struck me was how many of the articles and comments were discussions of exactly the problems Bill also regularly identifies as significant. That trade deficit is indeed hitting home.

For example, Ed Catmull, CEO of Pixar, draws attention to the social consequences of losing a manufacturing base in several comments, and his general views would seem to chime with Bill's in a recent article for Manufacturing Crunch on 'The Unintended Racism of Unfair Trade.' Robert H. Hayes, a Harvard professor, laments the decimation of internal and communal skill bases by outsourcing in his article and in other comments he posts, and the loss of this industrial commons is a regular feature in the HBR series. There are warnings too on the consequences of technology transfer, reverse engineeering and the rise of Chinese innovation and patents, by Gary Pisano (Harvard Prof) and Deborah L. Wince-Smith (President, Council on Competitiveness).

The necessity of being close to the production process to innovate and to improve is also a common theme to many contributors, who see it as essential to the long-term health of the company and the retention of quality thinking personnel who can bridge the divide between just running the company and actually making things. This sounds to me like the sort of endless improvement cycle embodied in the kind of original Toyota doctrines Bill approves of. There are then further insights into the distribution of power within companies, ie rifts between CEOs and COOs, and problems exacerbated by short-termism and accountability to shareholders and performance targets, and many more themes of interest.

For those of us from an educational background like myself, the articles, together with a healthy dose of exposure to the views in Evolving Excellence, represent an invaluable introduction to what's gone wrong with manufacturing industry in the past. Because the debate however also concerns society, I hope those of us who haven't got decades of experience in industry can be given a temporary permit to join in, because we've seen at first hand how the education process (certainly in the UK) has sidelined engineering in schools in favour of the glorified 50's secretarial courses that IT in schools largely amounts to, and we've had to deal with the confused young people whose route to productive employment in real jobs has been replaced by an amoral and vacuous post-industrial digital agenda. Which evidently can lead to exactly the behaviour transgressions pointed out above.

Yes, some of the Harvard contributors are circling the wagons – in defence of manufacturing industry, and conventional views, as represented by Yoffie, seem to be under fire at last.

Bill, you will never encounter an example of a well-run company run by ivy league PhDs during one of your *buy now* one day assessments *buy now* because 1) they will never hire you because you are strident in your judgement of them, 2) you are accustomed to seeing what fits within your theory and will find a way to write those cases off as "exeptions that prove the rule" and 3) the same reason people who grew up in manufacturing don't end up as hedge fund managers - the best fit for their education is not for pHDs to run these operations. All you are doing is raising the volume of the Fox News-John Stewart American shouting match, not adding any quality or substance.

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