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29 September 2009

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No. You must be under the wrong impression. You thought Toyota was Lean. No company is Lean. We are only trying to get Leaner. I think it just proves the statement that Lean is not a destination, it's a journey.

True enough, Jim, but this looks to me as though Toyota has thrown it into reverse as they roll along the journey.

I'm glad it's not my Lexus 300 ES

John,

I'm you're OK with the Lexus, but you might want to swap floor mats with that old Chevy you have on blocks in the back yard just to be on the safe side.

What is worse--people pointing to every failure of Toyota as a "reason" lean does not work or people putting Toyota up on a pedestal and then over-reacting to every failure?

Pointing out the failures of others is so easy, isn't it?

Braying? I trumpeting or muttering, perhaps, but not that. However, any of those is just deflection or excuse-making, and not good enough. Amazing what a lasting impression the poor quality of American cars of 20 years ago had on the buying public. Toyota would have to go a long way to equal that.

Hi Karen,

I chose the word "braying" because it denotes the noise made by a jackass, which I felt apprpriate in describing anyone who would use Toyota's mistakes to rationalize their own failure to adopt the principles that Toyota followed to become so dominant.

Interesting that a trade mag (Desktop Engineering IIRC) just had an article on Toyota building more prototypes, and relying less on digital simulations.

The article gave examples of Prius troubles, and engine deposits that the simulations did not expect. Plus, it noted the fact that nothing replaces a physical, working prototype tested in various places (cold winters, hot summers, etc).

Proto vs simulation...there was an article in new Forbes on use of simulation (detailed metallurgy plus statistical methods) to supplant physical testing for turbine blades, etc.

Hey, the people at Toyota are just that "people" and people make mistakes! This time mistakes were made at the top, maybe trying to imitate American CEOs. Has anyone devised a poka-yoke for these type of people mistakes?

I found that Toyota says the problem may arise when condensed moisture from the positive crankcase ventilation port seeps into the brake system vacuum port and freezes. It their mistake and i believe mistakes done by everyone.

From the article that Tony mentions:

"So the company decided to keep using CAE but also go 'back to basics,' using what worked in the past. The approach is summed in the idea of genchi genbutsu, or 'go and see,' says Lyons. 'In other words, we ramped back up on physical prototyping.'"

I find the whole situation extremely confusing. There doesn't seem to be anything significantly different about the floor mats in my 2006 Prius than in any other car I have or have had, except that they seem better anchored to the floor. Articles about the crashes (not all Toyotas) seem to indicate that the wrong floor mats were used or that people stacked other mats. All cars with similar accelerator pedals are susceptible to that idiocy.
If you've ever taken a car to the track, they generally force you to remove the floor mats (as well as any other loose object). Maybe it's a good idea, instead of obsessing about appearance.

I think the good to come out of it is they are publicizing the "hold the power button for three seconds to shut off the car while in motion" feature. I have wondered how long the conventions for keyless driving would take to develop so that it could be easily operated without special instructions.

Holy Crap, this reminds me of the story about the semi wedged under a bridge and everyone scratchs their head as to how to get it out until a boy comes by and suggests letting the air out of the tires. The rubber peddle is an injection molded part that mounts onto a metal arm. Build a new mold and make a shorter peddle. As far as your quality issues. I have had Toyota pickups. I had to get a new chevy diesel to pull a bigger trailer. I have had more trouble with the chevy than all of my Toyotas combined. Maybe another quick fix would be to put a cheaper, thinner floormat in the Toyota like the one I have in my chevy.

Toyota moved on from their number one initiative/moto in solving customer problems to becoming the largest car company over the last few years. Toyota is not 'God'. People make mistakes and learn from mistakes. The idea is LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES. I am sure Toyota will sense check their ambitious targets against the core fundamentals of their existence and bounce back.

This is what happens when you have american workers build your cars. Tsk Tsk

Even though Toyota hasn't become as bad as American car companies of 20 years ago, they still failed to handle the problem in a timely or convenient manner. They will handle this problem in 3-4 months due to bad publicity in the media, however they have had this problem for about 2-4 years. The lack of quality control that Toyota has traditionally promised is evident.

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