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11 March 2009

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Hi Kevin,

Thank you for clearing the air on this. We are clearly overextended. The newspapers in Vermont were practically bragging that housing prices more or less survived the recession - as if it were practically over. I can say with little doubt that my family cannot afford to better our living situation by shopping for a better house in the near term. This is due primarily to the overinflated prices resulting from the past 10 years of ridiculous housing surges and the free flowing credit to practically anyone who was able to scribble on the dotted line.

I agree with you 100% - the economy isn't coming back anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong but on the other hand, none of us will be able to afford it if it does come back given the massive debt we are all in and the high level of risk we will carry into a recovery. It is simply time to live within our means and grow our nations wealth at a prudent and sustainable (not the 'green' sustainable, just something that won't leave us penniless) pace. This is a concept "good" lean companies already embrace and should leverage to better their competitive position.

Hi Bill,
Great blog. Mutual fund manager Robert Rodriguez expressed exactly these ideas here, http://www.fpafunds.com/news_04022008_rubicon.asp.
MPC

Request for you Kevin and Bill-

It's good to know when you start reading who is talking and the byline is at the bottom of the post. Can you add a "by so and so" at the top?

I keep scrolling down to the bottom and then back to the top to read... waste of motion.

Yes, the economy will come back -- as in eventually it will start growing again (although the Obama folks are trying to put that time farther into the future).

But there will be a shift. A lot of the demand for specific items will not be coming back -- basically, the frivolous, nice to have items. An iPod? Maybe. A new one every year? No. A new TV? Maybe. But a new 50" LCD? No. A new car? Maybe (although California is working hard to reduce new car sales), but not a Lexus or BMW.

In semiconductors, I expect the demand for certain market segments to never come back (basically stay where it is today), just like optical/telecom never has grown fast again after the dot-bomb bust. Yes, the semiconductor market will grow again, but in different directions.

Most people in California expect house prices to start going up again at ~20% a year soon (by 2010). It's not going to happen - for one, in places people want to live house prices are still out of whack with income and rents.

I agree 100% with you. Just something is bothering me. You have used the word "deserve" a few times. I just hope the people who will define and set the criteria for "deserve" will not screw again this time!

You had me agreeing in principle until you blamed it on Bush. The democrats (the party of the people) were the ones who pushed for equal housing (look at the history for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). Sorry, not interested in your opinion any more. (And just so you understand - I'm a registered democrat who held my nose when I voted for Obama)

Good suggestion Mark, I also waste motion scrolling altho I'm purty sure who's authored what altho it's harder to tell these days, is it just me or is Bill more moderate? How many miss those heady days of bile and spittle when Bill told us what he really thought? :).

"Instead of measuring himself on the percentage of Americans who were home owners, Mr. Bush"

"The democrats (the party of the people) were the ones who pushed for equal housing"

Huh. I coulda swore that it was W telling us about the rates of home ownership in one or two of his campaign/state of the union/inauguration speeches (they're all pretty much the same tripe, no matter which party holds the office).

About 5 years ago, we were going through some open houses and were just amazed at the size and tastelessness of those McMansions. Where was the money coming from? All I could figure was that it was Californians who were selling their $750k 1800 sq ft houses on 1/8 acre and coming here to buy a $450 k 2500 sq ft house on 1/2 acre. But then a co-worker told me he had done the same thing (gone to open houses) and talked to a real estate agent who pointed out several other houses he had sold. He said that most of them had gotten a 125% mortgage, blown the extra on the Hummer, boat, and jet skis, and didn't have a stick of furniture in the house. So even back then, we were scratching our heads at the insanity of people who don't understand "balloon payment", "living within your means", and other quaint finance terminology.

Today, we are scratching our heads at the idea people seem to have that we are all owed a job. No matter how little we contribute, no matter how little enthusiasm we bring, no matter how atrophied our sense of craftsmanship or pride in getting the details right -- even the details nobody will ever see -- someone owes us a job. And not just a job: a well-paying, comfortable job with benefits and days off and not much responsibility. Like it's a God-given right, no matter how much I screw it up.

I think they're both sides of the same coin: I deserve the standard of living I have chosen. If I have to beg, borrow, or steal it (not earn it), I am going to get it. And someone else owes it to me. If I don't have it, it's someone else's fault. If I have to fudge some numbers on the mortgage application, or get a job and hold onto it despite my complete incompetence, well, that's their problem not mine. If I subsequently lose the job or default on the loan, someone else owes me a new job and a loan bailout. If we can wrap those together in a bailout for my failed employer (for whom I refuse to do actual productive labor), all the better. This attitude is prevalent all the way from the guys on the shop floors (I assume y'all have seen this -- http://www.regularfolksunited.com/index.php?tab=article_view&article_id=561?) to the top offices on Wall Street. And the guys in Washington? H. L. Mencken said that "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard," and the guys in Washington intend to do just that.

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