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Bill,

Thanks for the history lesson on Akio.

I kind of like a consulting outfit with the first name Booz. It probably took the marketing folks some time on that one.

I'm still not sure 25 years was enough, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Dead on Bill! Excellent piece.

First, I would say that, in my opinion, your education has little to do with your professional achievements. I believe it is a person ability to continuously learn various disciplines, both in formal (academic) settings and informal (life) settings. I think Mr. Akio Toyoda is well training for his future challenges because of the fact that he is a lawyer, has a MBA and has a manufacturing background. He has shown the ability to be humble (he started over in an entry level position) and to re-train himself. These skills are rare, but can be found at Harvard and your local technical school.

Second, in regards to the wager, I can not accept it because I know I will win.

One of my classmates is president of Boston Centerless (http://www.bostoncenterless.com/). Boston Centerless has had a booth at the last several IMTS shows and won the Northeast Shingo Prize for the lean efforts.

I would like to up the ante. I will find at least 6 people who went to the “highfalutin eastern schools” that you talked about (both Ivy League and boarding schools) who are attending IMTS and/or the Lean Summit. If I find them, you owe me dinner, you need to retract your piece and write a piece on the punitive aspects of the death tax on family businesses.

Last time I was in Chicago I had dinner at graham elliot (http://www.grahamelliot.com/) and was good. Next time I go, I look forward to you paying.

It seems to me that those educated from the "elite" schools have two choices, much as Akio did. First, to stay in the elite sytem inbreeding the culture that has been taught over and over again. Second, is to have some sort of "awakening" like Aiko, that maybe there is more to being an expert then just saying you are.

The Ivy League grads who show up at these shows (and I bet there are many) are not the ones who are staying in the system moving to the top of the instutional powers (educational and political). They are the ones who have realized something more, have found some "useful skill" and started applying it in the real world.

The real prize is not to find those people who have left the system to find a better way(like Akio), but to find people who know the better way getting into the system to transform it (like Grasso).

You're right, Tom. Akio Toyoda's 'epiphany moment' made all the difference. He demonstrated a very rare humility.

In fairness to Harvard and the rest - and especially in fairness to my friend Costigyan Jarvis - the problem stems from those who never do anything productive prior to getting their Ivy League MBA and heading off to the consulting world to lecture manufacturing management.

Many, many grads of these MBA programs are people who went through an 'Executive MBA' program after having been in the real world for a spell. They often have the wisdom and knowledge to leaven the Ivy League nonsense with common sense.

That said, I still believe that they would be better off seeing if Larry Grasso teaches a night school class in accounting.

I graduated from the University of Iowa College of Medicine, attended a Catholic teaching hospital for residency, did my fellowship at Stanford, and was a physician at a Harvard teaching hospital for about five years.

Define best. I'm serious about that, how does one define best? The Harvard MBA program may very well be the best, I don't know I'm not an MBA. The issue isn't whether Harvard is the best or not, it's the issue that sometimes credentialism rules over actual experience and accomplishments in some areas of public life.

What I disliked most when I was at Harvard (and, I met wonderful, talented people there, really fine physicians) is a bit of parochialism that I encountered. There were some faculty who had never left the environment and were sure that they way they did things were the best. But, I'd say, how do you know since you've never experienced anything else? I'm not a Harvard basher, I just think excellence exists in lots of places.

Reading The Black Swan and this is a recurring theme. Suits and pedigrees do not necessarily create the best outcomes. Favorite quote so far in the book -- "Don't confuse success with talent". Also, Goldratt points to this in his recent lectures...need to stay focused on cause and effect and the highly addictive and sexy craze of "modeling".

Akio went to Babson. Not an elite school, per se, but in the same geographic area as other elite schools.

But wherever he went to school, and whatever public legend has been concocted and spoon-fed to the press, make no mistake about it -- the family name plays a huge role in his rapid ascent to the top.

Do you really think a company as conservative and traditional as Toyota would have named a non-Toyoda family member to be CEO below the tender age of 50?

Well Mr. Scion, two thirds of the folks who line up to pay more than $50K a year to matriculate at Babson get turned away. If that ain't elite, it sure is close.

Concerning the Toyoda family, in fact the family owns less than 1% of the company. The family has no birthright at Toyota any longer. The non-family people in charge for the last several have encountered some rough sailing. My view is that they have elevated Kiichiro Toyoda's grandson to help them get back to their roots.

What's up with hiding behind a ficticious name and hurling the silly, unsupported accusation that I have printed a "concocted legend" that was "spoon fed" to me? Whoever you are, you can do better than that.

Bill:
Why so bitter and dismissive of hallowed halls you've never walked? And where is the 'respect for people' for those whose vocation has a different focus from yours? Also, could your story line on Toyoda-san be a case of 'tatamae and ohmae' where the revealed personna and the true feelings differ in deferrence to the recipient?
Because manufacturing is becoming such a declining proportion of life's future challenges, perhaps the higher learning institutions are catering to the "A"items like medicine, governance, mitigation, and capital formation. Thus leaving the study of 'making things better' to those places where self interest is better served thru proximity to the gemba?
Or maybe the market attraction to the best and the brightest persuades them to seek higher rewards, and draws them to areas outside the arena you view as the highest priority occupation. They can contribute their talent to the advance of mankind there too.
Keep up the zeal for lean with your audience, but don't disrespect others because the audience is not larger.

Never in one brief post has a reader chanted the mantra at us so eloquently ... and demonstrated grander ignorance of lean manufacturing ... all at the same time.

Have another long sip of the kool-aid, my friend, and stay focused on those A items.

From a disinterested third party, your rant against selective schools is quite confusing. On the one hand you criticize the professorship for something, and then you extend the criticism to the graduates. A basic application of signaling theory would perhaps help you understand why it is the selectivity itself which drives the value of the schools, by their performance of an assessment of individuals. There is much to criticize in academia, but limiting your criticism to selective schools is not supported by your arguments. It would be better to focus on the facts.

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