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03 October 2008

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You shouldn't let consumers completely off the hook. Indeed, they did want big gas guzzling vehicles. I've talked with many. They didn't care until they had to pay much more at the pump. Much like consumers wanting something for nothing helped drive the mortgage frenzy, consumers buying into the big powerful man toy or soccer mom status bus stuff helped drive this frenzy. Discipline from bankers would have helped the former crisis. Vision from car manufacturers (from design to agility-the ability to switch from product to product more quickly) would have helped them. Boeing had the vision of building the right new plane for the right time. Unfortunately it chose the wrong method of manufacture. But it clearly is on the right path.

Kevin, have you been to Michigan lately? Have you seen Flint in the past ten years? How about Wixom now that the Ford plant has closed? It is too easy for us to say that the American auto companies deserve what they get, but the fact is that there is a domino effect when companies of this size fail. The evidence of that is already all over Michigan. I am not arguing that the old Big 3 screwed up, but for the sake of those who worked hard and did their best within a bad system we (the taxpayers) should give them a fighting chance to survive. They should not have access to unlimited funds or be able to keep going back for more bailouts, but it seems money well spent to me if it gives these companies another year or so to get their act together. And really, what is 25 billion? The cost of a couple of aircraft carriers or a dozen B2 bombers? This "bailout" loan seems like a bargain to me.

Mike- actually, yes. I have a factory in Michigan and my father in-law worked for a GM/Delphi plant in Michigan. I get there fairly often.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm a firm believer that cushions and support lead to an expectation of more cushions and support. At some point you need to deconstruct in order to create something truly better, truly competitive. Otherwise you end up in a vicious cycle that is increasingly difficult to break out of. Case in point are the sugar subsidies we've had for over a hundred years. Think those are ever going away now? How has that distorted the competitive landscape?

I'm not against investment. I would much rather use that $25 billion to retrain those workers (but not pay them to sit at home!), develop new industries (as I mentioned last week, why does the next fuel-efficient car have to come from the Detroit Three, or even a car company?). I might even be willing to allow for investment in factory re-tooling... if the same "leadership" wasn't in place.

But simply saying "we know you screwed up, here's $25 billion, please don't screw up again" is a mismanagement of taxpayer money in my opinion.

If the objective is to save Detroit (the city), then maybe the subsidy program should be geographically-specific rather than company-specific.

A job for an unemployed autoworker is still a job if it comes from Toyota or Tesla instead of a Big-3 company; indeed, it would be more likely to be sustainable.

It is difficult for any company, not just the Detroit auto makers, to focus on long term plans instead of short term profit when following the long term path is not viewed favorably by the greedy stock manipulators on Wall Street.

The truck and SUV market was where the profit was. Even Honda, Toyota and Nissan started introducing large pick up trucks over the last few years. The transplants also have the advantage of not having to overcome years of concessions to the greed of the UAW. Can any company be profitable when it has to pay 95% salary to laid off workers in a "jobs bank"?

I haven't heard or read any comments on an important issue with the "smaller," $26B bailout.
Being in the tool and die industry, my question is simply this: The Detroit 3 loans or bailout is supposedly for retooling cars--how much of that retooling money will be spent here in the US so domestic tooling suppliers (tools, dies, fixtures, etc.) can be helped too?
Furthermore, will the Detroit 3 level the playing field by first, adding the freight and other costs of off-shoring to the foreign quoted price (by perhaps comparing actual costs of FOB point of use), and second, will they give US die shops the same payment terms (progress payments and full payment prior to shipment)?
It's hard enough competing with $2 per hour labor as it is. We don't need the added burden of inequitable price comparisons. Toyota and Honda HELP their suppliers reduce costs, whereas the Detroiters just FORCE the price down.

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