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Nothing beats good management period.
Unfortunately, we have accountants running the show.

You're right... the definition of "productivity" doesn't correctly account for subs moved overseas but then completed in the U.S.. However it is also incorrect to imply that China (etc) added jobs "taken" from the U.S.. Productivity growth is real, and is global, and can actually have even more of an impact in rapidly developing countries. A little known fact is that China has also lost manufacturing jobs every year for the past ten... while we know it increased production output. And their productivity numbers have the opposite problem as in the U.S... they often don't correctly account for non-final assemblies that were completed elsewhere. More data is also at:

http://business.clemson.edu/cit/Documents/Mfg%20Employment%20Working%20Paper%20draft%208%202005.pdf

I'm sure productivity growth is real - just nowhere near the ridiculously high numbers put out by BLS and cited in all of the business press. There is little reason to think the actual productivity growth rate is much different than it has been for the last several decades.

China has, in fact, added quite a few jobs taken from the U.S. They have also lost even more jobs to even cheaper labor places like Viet Nam as the endless pursuit of cheap labor trots around the globe

Worldwide manufacturing jobs are down sharply. Worldwide manufacturing output is up. Those two fact remove any explanation of shifting work from one country to another as the explanation (without some further explanation anyway). I wrote about the working paper by William Ward, Clemson University discussing some of these issues on Friday: Manufacturing Jobs Data: USA and China.

My understanding of the data from the paper is that: 10-20% of manufacturing jobs disappeared worldwide from 1995 to 2002. China lost between 17% and 34%; the US lost 11.4%.

I have been writing and reading about the economic data on manufacturing for several months now and while I agree with the epilogue of his paper where he says we need better data based on the data we do have I think it is accurate to say most of the job loss is due to productivity gains (and then the markets decision to use the resources freed up in other ways [services...] rather than adding even more goods that could be produced - conceptually the market could have made another decision, to keep the same number of people in manufacturing and just get even more manufactured goods but that isn't what has happened).

Having said that the issues are fairly complicated and the data provides at best coarse measurements which do not provide exactly the information we would like to make conclusions. There is quite a bit of leeway for interpretation. This is an area I plan to continue to investigate. I find this area interesting and I think the evidence needs to be studied and presented more clearly to aid in everyone's understanding of the actual state of affairs.

I am sure Mr. Ward at Clemson is a fine guy with good intentions, but his report says that 100% - as in ALL - manufacturing jobs lost since 2000 are due to productivity improvements - none to outsourcing.

By their own admission, the BSL says that anytime a component is purchased from outside the US instead of made here, the labor savings is included in the productivity data.

For the Clemson study to be viewed as anything more than a theory in progress, there would have to be no components shifted from the U.S. overseas since 1999.

The real problem is that Mr. Ward built his study on the assumption that the BSL productivity data really was about productivity. He did not look at the outsourcing element at all.

His arguement seems to be that, since the outsourced jobs cannot be found in China, they must not exist - it must have been productivity instead of outsourcing.

I don't know how the world looks from the cubicles at the BSL or the ivy covered halls of Clemson, but out here in the manufacturing world, container ships full of components are pouring in from Asia every day. Trucks are backed up as you are reading this at the border crossings from Mexico bringing in components.

Regardless of the implied logic of the theorists, a big - I mean BIG - portion of what folks call 'productivity' is outsourcing.

I would suggest that the economic experts from BSL and Clemson spend a day or two hanging around the port at Long Beach, and the border crossing at Laredo and explain how the components coming into the U.S. are not significant.

Go look at that reality and you will agree that it makes a whole lot more sense to assume ALL of the job loss is due to outsourcing except for productivity gains that can be proven; instead of assuming it is ALL productivity unless someone can prove outsourcing.

One of the most important tenets of lean is to go to Gemba and watch what is going on.I see the lack of this as one of the major problems from the data raised in the articles from both sources. Bill.. I think your idea of going to the inbound crossings and watching the movement and volume would give everyone a better understanding of what is really happening. It's hard to see from an office.

Interesting. US News & World Report states that 20,000 new foreign-owned factories open each year in China. That's about 2 per hour. If China is losing manufacturing jobs at the rate specified in the Clemson research, who is staffing these new plants? Are they importing workers now, too?

> who is staffing these new plants?

Either people that left other plants or new manufacturing workers. The total number can easily decrease if the number of reductions at exsiting plants exceeds new hires at new plants.

> Are they importing workers now, too?

No.

I think to some extent we are making this more difficult than it needs to be. Either we agree with the stated data that total world manufacturing output is increasing and total world manufacturing employment is decreasing. If we don't agree with that ok, what data do we use to make the case?

If we do agree then it is a fact (by definition) that productivity gain is the reason for job losses worldwide and output gains worldwide. Then you look at the USA and say well like the world, the USA is increasing output and reducing jobs. It makes sense to me to then say yeah productivity gains is the best macro explanation. But I agree more and better (for this question) data would be helpful (and allow much more accurate data on how many fewer jobs are required to produce the increased number of good and then how many jobs would have remained if decisions to move manufacturing that had been done in the USA to another country).

There is no question manufacturing that was done in the USA 10 years ago has been moved elsewhere. My guess is that many of these decisions are bad management decisions where intelligent, knowledgeable lean manufacturing experts would improve the management of the US plant and the company would be better off than moving production overseas.

Even if the USA are losing jobs to productivity gains (like everywhere in the world) we also are losing jobs when decisions are made to manufacture something elsewhere. And China is surely decreasing the loses in manufacturing jobs they have (due to increased productivity) through decisions made to manufacture items there that were manufactured elsewhere previously.

Is it a problem for the economy that we keep unloading ships with good and returning them empty? Yes. It would be possible for this to balance in other ways (paying for good with services: insurance, banking, accounting, medical care...) but that is not happening now and the USA is selling off assets (bonds, land, buildings, stocks...) to pay for consuming products from abroad. It would be much better if the number of ships were reduced and those that did come returned with goods in exchange for those goods received (for manufacturing employment in the USA).

Given that the official U.S. government data on productivity growth versus outsourcing is so muddy, I would be wary of the data coming from China. I doubt they really know how many people they really have living there, let alone what they do for a living. All of the data I have seen is based on estimates and extrapolations, so I would recommend taking Chinese manufacturing data with a ton of salt.

Regardless, it seems reasonable to assume that China is on a very steep productivity improvemnt curve. As they become more technically capable and capital pours in, they have moved from a manufacturing base built almost exclusively on hand work to one that is more machine based, and the great productivity improvements the West saw decades ago is taking hold in China.

Finally, as I have noted before, the companies that went to China for cheap labor are more than willing to leave China for cheaper labor. Look into Viet Nam - and the outpouring of work from China.

It seems to add up to the same thing - China is probably losing manufacturing jobs - exactly how many is probably kind of sketchy - and how much of it is due to productivity and how much of it is to moving the work to a cheaper place is anybody's guess.

I would suggest that those who cannot seem to find the outsourced U.S. jobs in China read "Manufacturing Employment and Compensation in China" by Judith Baxter of the Beijing Javelin Investment Consulting Company. It is a report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics. Ms. Baxter is the former head of the International Progmas Center at the U.S. Census Bureau.

The report can be found at:

http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf

Guess what? She found the jobs that Clemson University is missing.

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